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Okay hi everybody, welcome to our podcast. This is going to be our little episode called “Yo, is this sexist?” My name is Skye Vaske and I’m a fourth year neuroscience major at The Ohio State University.
Hi I’m Bri and I’m a first year accounting major at The Ohio State University.
Hi I’m Rachel Martin and I’m a second year studying ultrasound technology at The Ohio State University.
So today we’re gonna be talking a little bit about sexism, and just in general, gender discrimination, whether or not it’s systemic, how we look at it in our daily lives. We’re going to have a few examples that we’re going to talk about today, so I will just go ahead and jump into our first one here, which is something that we’re all probably familiar with to a degree. But it is with the US women’s national soccer team and the fact that they filed a lawsuit against the US Soccer Foundation in 2019. I’ll give a little bit of background about that, if you are unfamiliar. So in 2019 the US women’s national team filed a class action lawsuit against the US Soccer Foundation, which is the USSF for gender discrimination. It’s important to note how well the women have done in comparison to the men’s team, so the women won the World Cup in 2019 and 2015 and twice before that in 1991 and 1999. The men’s team best finish ever was third place in 1930 and they did not even qualify for the 2018 World Cup. So the foundation for the lawsuit was proposed on the hypothetical situation where, if the men and women US teams each won 20 of the non tournament games that they are required to play. The women’s team would earn $5,000 per game and the men’s team would earn $13,000 per game. From 2013 to 2016, women earned $15,000 for making the team, while men earned $55,000 in 2014 and then $69,000 in 2018. Also part of this lawsuit for gender discrimination was included the claim of unequal working conditions, such as being provided turf instead of grass and if you’re familiar with soccer you’ll know that turf is generally harder on the body and it’s better to be practicing on actual grass. In addition to that, the women also described not receiving the same quality of accommodations as the men’s team, so that would be like flights, travel accommodations, as well as hotel stays. It’s a very complex issue, partly because the men and women teams sign different contracts so it’s difficult for them to base a legal claim on it when they agreed to the legality of it in the first place and ultimately in 2020 this case was dismissed, but the women’s team reached an agreement with the USSF that they weren’t super happy with, but it was something. So I want to propose the question to you Rachel and Bri, do you think this is sexist or do you see this as a systemic injustice that we need to talk about?
Yeah I think that as mentioned in those stats, women win bigger competitions more often than men, and yet they’re still not being given fair treatment. While I understand that men may have more viewers, this does not justify the difference in their playing conditions. If a woman is not paid as much because of viewer ratings, I could handle that, but when women are not even given the same treatment as purely a soccer player, that seems unfair and uncalled for to me.
Right.
Yeah I definitely agree with you guys and I think that this is a very common systemic problem we see with men and women and similar sports. You know, the fact that they’re signing unequal contracts indicates the systemic nature of men and women receiving unequal pay for equal performances.
Yeah I actually saw something similar in a startup gym that I worked at where women served as childcare workers smoothie bar baristas, and cleaners, while men were leading as salesmen, fitness directors, and the personal trainers. Not only was this a common thread when I started there, but throughout my five months in the organization they continued to hire men and women to the same roles I mentioned before, and they disregarded the people who already worked there. I tried to advocate for men being allowed around the kids because they’re employees of the gym anyway, and we were told, this is not right and men cannot be around children. A typical day for me consisted of sweeping floors, cleaning counters, and watching kids. Meanwhile, I watched my male counterparts take prospects on tours and train their clients. Even though we were trained in all, the argument always seemed to be that people imagined a man as fit rather than a woman. So when they see a big man they think I want to be him, but where’s the role model for women? Now, this can obviously be seen as systemic and not just during our time, but over the past hundreds of years where women had to settle for roles not already taken by men. So I have a few questions for you. Are women better suited for these roles or are they being discriminated against? What image is this painting in society when we say men should not be alone, or even with someone else, around children? Ladies, is this sexist?
There’s some really interesting questions you propose, and that is a very interesting situation as well. When you mentioned whether or not women are better suited for these roles, I think, or at least I hope that most of us can agree that that’s not really the case that it’s not that women are just better at being caretakers and men are just better at doing physical work. I think there’s like you said part of the systemic nature is that it’s just programmed into our social structure. These gender roles that you know we teach our children as they’re growing up, we see perpetuated in society that women are generally more comforting and caring. They’re taught to express emotion more than express emotion more than men, and when you think of you know your mother versus father generally we hear the narrative of the comforting mother who’s there for you when you need her and the fathers as the tough love and the person who will more so help you fix your car and whatnot. And I think it’s interesting that you also bring up the fact that hundreds of years ago, we had the same sort of social roles and I think that really can be thought of as the source and like you said, really hitting home the the systemic nature of everything, where men’s biological physical capabilities made them better suited for things like hunting, but in today’s structure that’s really just not the case.
Yeah I totally agree, I think that as a woman, I only think that we’re better suited for these roles solely due to the way that we grow up within our families and For me, growing up, you know me and my mom would always stay inside cook, bake, and clean, you know, doing the motherly roles as opposed to my brother and dad going out to the barn and working with tools, you know, doing the more physical and exertion work compared to the domestic roles that me and my mother would do around the house. And you know going off that example Bri, I’ve also seen a similar example at my job. I’ve worked at Target for three years now And about every year we get a new manager for the store and every single one is always a man, so I think that this says a lot about the hiring system and goes into effect that some hires think that women do not fit the role of a leader and favor the men as they’re looked at to be a stronger leader. And also all of the human human resource HR positions are always filled by women, and I think that it is this way because women typically are more understanding and provide the care and help for their employees. And there are many stereotypes that men and women personalities are a lot different when compared to each other, and I think that society has stereotypes that portray that men are more vocal and stronger leaders. And also many stereotypes that women do not handle stress very well compared to men and that women get flustered more often than men when in a manager position in the workforce. And even looking at other places, including local restaurants, companies, and stores, I’ve also noticed that the majority of managers for companies are mostly men. So I think, all in all, I think management is deeply segregated by gender and from what I’ve seen in my experience as an employee at Target for three years now, I definitely have seen this segregation. So what do you guys think about this?
I think that a good question to ask following that is, do you guys think that this creates a One and Other relationship? What do you think about men getting the bigger and more important roles in society, while women basically get whatever’s left over?
That’s a good point. I think that ties really well into what Rachel was just saying as well with her experience with management. I think this does create a One and Other relationship depending on which way you look at it, but you have in that relationship we know that the One is the one that creates the entire dynamic in the first place by setting themselves up as superior to whoever the Other is and thus treating them that way and creating the entire relationship. And then the context that Rachel was talking about and how we’ve seen with our other examples, we have a situation where men are hiring other men to to take on leadership roles, management positions, you know we even see very few women CEOs and CFOs. So in those situations it’s like the men are setting themselves up to be superior to the women and thus creating the whole dynamic in the first place and basically Othering women into inferior positions.
Yeah that’s a great point and I even saw that in the gym where I worked at where women always saw themselves as the Other through that man’s eyes because he had set himself up as being the One. He was the buff man and the one that you think of when you think gym stereotype, so the women always felt like they were less than them. So now we’re going to ask you guys to think back to a time when you saw adversity or faced adversity as a woman. Was it similar to one of these experiences that we had? As seen in our three different experiences, there’s a common thread of sexism appearing for women across the board, thus making it a systemic issue. Whether this be in the workplace, in everyday lives, or in an organization, women face adversity on a daily basis and must work to overcome all of the obstacles thrown at them like the pay gap, the emotional stereotype, their nurturing nature, or the dominance formed from the One and Other relationship. The question is, when will this power dynamic, or power struggle, cease to exist? If a woman can perform equally or better than a man, who is to say she cannot or should not?
Okay, great. Well, thank you everybody. That was our “Yo, is this sexist?” podcast. We hope you learned something and were able to do a little bit of reflecting like we were able to. Thank you so much!
Works Cited
Kaplan, Emily. “U.S. Women’s Soccer Equal Pay Fight: What’s the Latest, and What’s next?” ESPN, ESPN Internet Ventures, 9 Nov. 2019, www.espn.com/sports/soccer/story/_/id/27175927/us-women-soccer-equal-pay-fight-latest-next.