Yo, Is This Systemic Injustice?

Podcast By: Lucas Graybill

• Hello and welcome to my podcast. Yo, is this systemic injustice or I’ll be talking about an example of what I think is just an injustice and I’ll be discussing with maybe some guests on whether or not it actually a systemic injustice. So this case comes from Dayton, Ohio where I’m from.
• 00:23And basically what happened is, there’s a judge, Judge bank off who put hung up a picture of George Floyd in his room and his courtroom.
• 00:34alongside other prominent figures, for example, you listen to us grant William Sherman Frederick Douglass, so he wasn’t just hanging a picture up by itself.
• 00:44But anyway, this sparked the FOP which stands for Fraternal Order of Police they filed an official complaint to the Ohio Supreme Court saying that the picture was actually detrimental to the justice system. So in order to talk a little bit more about this. I brought in.
• 01:03Someone who has some inside information. She’s a paralegal for a lawyer, she’s actually my mother and she’ll be able to give us some information on a
• 01:13Little bit behind it. So one, introduce yourself. Hello, Luke, I am so proud of you for doing this success systemic racial injustice. I have been a paralegal for 3035 years for a criminal defense attorney.
• 01:30And Lucas has brought up this particular case that Judge Stephen dang cough.
• 01:37Puts up many pictures in his court room President Ulysses Grant white man William Sherman Frederick Douglass and others not big posters just eight by 10 pictures and he really felt strongly about.
• 01:55The New Yorker cover magazine of George Floyd. That’s a lot of different other black people that were, you know, killed by the police.
• 02:08And it’s interesting because if you look at the courtroom like here’s a picture. I don’t know. You can’t see it, but it’s very small and not not
• 02:14Substantial. It’s not something you would immediately notice and I find it a little bit prejudicial that a judge would find all of a sudden, George Floyd being up there have a reason to call the Ohio Supreme Court disciplinary account.
• 02:32And accuse judge Dan cough of being ripped
• 02:38It justice, somehow, and she said it was the Fraternal Order of Police that did it. But it actually was our administrative judge, Judge Gorman who filed the complaint.
• 02:49And it’s the thing that that bothered me so much was the fact that nobody told Dan cough judge Dan cough that they were going to file a complaint. You think that, especially given how people in the justice system are so
• 03:04Like they get to have each other’s backs, like the Fraternal Order of Police like fraternity that you think that they’d want to stand out for each other. So it’s so interesting to me that
• 03:14Judge Gorman went behind judgment calls back or the FOP did to file this complaint without even giving him the opportunity to
• 03:22defend himself on why he put the picture up in the first. But it’s interesting you say that because they do have each other’s backs the Fraternal Order of Police
• 03:31And Judge Gorman and maybe some other judges in our Common Pleas court. It’s judge dank off who actually stands up for all people, black, white, rich, poor and doesn’t care. He is very fair. I’ve had several cases with him and I can talk about him if you’d like, but he is very fair.
• 03:55And it seems like
• 03:58Judge Dan coughs
• 04:02It seems like his, his response to that was very surprised he really didn’t see it coming. He even said
• 04:10He said his extensive in numerous writings as a judge on the Court put the lie to the to a baseless claims. So he’s basically saying that all of this as a basis point and he even said that
• 04:24This coursework profoundly impacts the life and liberty of our citizens and I will not fail and my duty to afford actual authentic and real the process of law.
• 04:32To all of our citizens. So, especially the most vulnerable, which just shows you that he has good intentions, so he really does and I
• 04:42Case comes to mind. We’re judged and called actually wrote an opinion on one of our motion to suppress that we did.
• 04:49And ironically, it was involved with a black defendant who was driving his car to white police officers in their cruiser. The black defendant who we are representing pulled out, you know, pulled out to turn on the street, the
• 05:09The two police officers asserted that our guy pulled out in front of them, where they had to slam on their brakes.
• 05:16And they pulled him over and you know you know whatever they do with them, but in looking at the police cruiser tapes, which we as counsel for the defendant always look at and me being the paralegal dissected
• 05:32The police officers had no idea that their cruiser cam audio was on it only comes on when the cruiser.
• 05:41lights come on and they were saying, Wow, we’d like that cars. This black defendant was driving a white SUV.
• 05:48And they said, we want that car. Let’s follow them until he makes a traffic violation is before the car was even moving know they he pulled out legally. Yeah.
• 05:59And then the police officers will find them, they just decided that they wanted that car.
• 06:03And they just figured a well councils, not going to look but I get the CD and I on the CD, it shows. And interestingly, they don’t do this anymore but
• 06:11A year or two ago, they did so you can see how fast the police officer was going so when they were driving it was 35 miles an hour, whatever the thing was
• 06:20And then the guy pulled out. And all of a sudden they were going 55 miles an hour, so they weren’t actually speeding up this car did not pull out right in front of them. The police officers lied and judge dang cough being the most
• 06:35You know, Fair Judge on our bench to this day actually did some actual mathematics.
• 06:43To show that our guy did not pull out that the police had to race up in front of them. You actually heard on the video that they wanted this guy. They were just trying to find a probable cause.
• 06:53Judge Dan cough rot. The most beautiful he has a wordsmith
• 06:57Decision on our motion to suppress and and just said you police office should be ashamed of yourself. Yeah. So it seems like Danko really his reputation.
• 07:07Proves all he’s just fair. I’m not saying, some people have gone to jail. That should have gone to jail. But if wrong is wrong, wrong is wrong if right is right right is right. Yeah. So it’s interesting because George Floyd. The only reason that would be controversial. Is it
• 07:20Because he was a black man yeah and and mine was committed like it was murdered, and that’s what Judge
• 07:27He said every American saw George Floyd being murdered and the court system did file murder charges against the defendant, which happens to be a police officer, which happened to piss off the Fraternal Order of Police and
• 07:43Like the people hanging up in a score room are
• 07:47Like bad people to scram William Sherman Frederick Douglass wrote influential people, none of them are
• 07:55All one thing, another more all white man he was in the FOP complaint did state and I’m quoting it displayed quote certain material, quote, unquote.
• 08:06In the courtroom, that is detrimental to the justice system. And it was interesting that the first time. Well, not I’m not the first time I mean, Frederick Douglass a black man.
• 08:15But so George Floyd, he just put up a beautiful picture that was on the New Yorker cover and everybody went crazy George for, in my opinion, kind of represents
• 08:26All black people. Yeah. And then to the police to the to like the corrupt side of the right the justice as he represents the breaking up of
• 08:35Like the way it used to be. Well, it makes it being a criminal defense attorney paralegal it really made criminal defense sad to see that one picture went to the Ohio Supreme Court disciplinary. You’re like, are you kidding me, or what are you mad because this black man is up in the
• 08:53Right, so I mean it just, it just was not
• 08:57It was not fair and judge
• 09:01Dang, coughs that these images taken together, not just George Floyd but President Ulysses Grant William Sherman friendless Frederick Douglass and all the others were to show that all people are equal.
• 09:13And we will be as treated as such in his courtroom. Yeah. He is the epitome of a fair judge who has no discrimination at all. It’s almost like
• 09:26his peers almost dislike him for that exam because they went behind his back to
• 09:31To go to the Supreme Court without even telling him, and he is not even worried about it because he stated my extensive work and numerous writings as a judge.
• 09:38Will put this lie. Yeah, it’s a totally basis basis point and his work is still I think George Floyd is still up there. It’s still in his court room and I am proud to be part of his you know beliefs. Yeah, I mean,
• 09:56THE FACT THE FACT NOBODY SAID A single a single thing to have in the fact that the first time he found out was when the complaint was fired, right, if they felt that strongly about. They’re like, hey,
• 10:06Do you think this is fair and I just bought this used to be extremely uncommon for them to go behind each other back
• 10:15George Jacob said nobody including judge Gorman who is the who’s George Foreman she’s the administrative judge in the McHenry county on place quote judgment call said nobody including George Foreman informed me of the intent to the same to
• 10:29The same to disciplinary Council and the outrageous failure to afford a sitting judge the opportunity to respond to the apple POLICE COMPLAINT is particularly ironic.
• 10:38Given that every Ohio judge before taking office swears an oath, a solemn promise to uphold the Ohio and United States Constitution.
• 10:45which require actual authentic real due process of the law.
• 10:49in all matters and who, and I was denied that right by the people who apparently prefer to operate in the shadows instead of the light of day.
• 10:57And Lucas. Can I tell you something. This is our
• 11:00This is our judge and our legal system and McCormick kind of Common Pleas court. It is a sad situation. And that’s what’s crazy is the fact that
• 11:08This is literally where I live. This isn’t some. This isn’t isn’t on Fox News happening in like Utah. And can I just tell you
• 11:15Three months ago, we just had a case to black men sitting in front of their apartment in a vehicle and the police stopped and made him get out handcuffed him and search their car for absolutely no reason
• 11:28At the CD. Yeah, if you see the CD of this. They are harassing these black men. There are being very mean very gruff for absolutely no reason, like I said, it’s easy to have a
• 11:40False perspective, if all if all you’re doing is Washington news. It’s easy to have like a glorified perspective on writing because you don’t see one side of the story. Well,
• 11:47Black and then you tell me, Well, yeah, but it like in your case you you’ve been in the system for 30 years. So you’ve seen the good, the bad, the left and the right. Right. And you
• 11:54You still see a huge problem. And there is nobody will see past the problem and have the actual faculty as well and I’m
• 12:01I’m embarrassed about this judge day and cough judge Corman FOP situation about one picture hanging up and what
• 12:10Do you think’s going to happen or if it’s going to be, I think, because judge
• 12:13Dang. COUGH has such a perfect record rights like no other so educated so fair, they will let him allow him to have his picture.
• 12:24How is this going to affect the justice system. Now, if we have a jury that looks at a black picture a
• 12:30Picture of George Floyd and decides the case on that, then it’s not our judges fault. It’s not George Floyd’s fault. It’s our jury systems fault there you know he has a whole bunch of pictures. So it’s not like a ginormous picture of George
• 12:46George Will you know he got exactly and he right. It’s not like you know he actually has a crime, the police officer has been charged with murder.
• 12:57Yeah, so, so hopefully. Well, I mean, you know what all somebody has to do pull judged and cost records read his decisions that will do it right. Yes. Right. THEY WILL LOOK AT IT. Judge Dan call for right a reason why has it and believe me.
• 13:15I pray and I hope and I think it will happen, they will exonerate judge Dan cough and they will allow the picture of George Floyd
• 13:22And any other black person or white person that has wrongly accused in judge Dan coughs he has such a fair judge that he felt felt so strongly about a police officer.
• 13:34Murdering judge Floyd on TV for nine minutes with his day on his neck to be put up there.
• 13:41Goes to judge 10 calls obviously people in the system, who have all the power, who have the ability to give people
• 13:49Lifetimes in prison have a problem, which is my question is, why didn’t judge Gorman if she felt strongly about it since she’s the administrative judge just go
• 13:58Walk down all the shows you just go Hey Steve, do you think this is a problem. And you’re like, No. Why do you think it’s a problem. So, so far, yes.
• 14:06Exactly and to go directly to the disciplinary Council, the Ohio Supreme Court is racist.
• 14:12Because their whole job as a judge is to find out the story. Find out like exactly what’s going on exactly an unbiased blind decision and then the complete opposite of what they did in this case. Absolutely. I don’t find it.
• 14:25And that happens system wide, which is exactly why yo is a system that can just us right to say yes, I’m gonna say it is systemic injustice. In fact, it’s happening right in my hometown, I can say it’s probably happening.
• 14:37Most, most but now a lot of places around the country. Absolutely. Well, Briana Taylor George Floyd
• 14:47Me or rice. I mean, we can name them. Look at the basketball players on her. Yeah. Alright, well thank you for listening. I hope you enjoy it. Thank you. Lucas, of course. Thank you for being on