Introduction:
Garrett: Hello, welcome to the “Yo, Is this systemic Injustice/Racism?” podcast. My name is Garrett and I’m joined by some of my fellow students in the Comparative Studies 1100 Class. Today we’ll be discussing several unjust situations in America. I will be discussing injustice in the criminal justice system, and asking some follow up questions, on my topic. Corinna and Cole, why don’t you guys go ahead and introduce yourselves.
Corinna: Hello, my name is Corinna. In this podcast I will discuss issues within police brutality and answer any questions you may have on this topic.
Cole: Hi, I’m Cole and I’ll be discussing the issues surrounding minority acceptance on campus at major universities.
Topic 1: Police Brutality:
Corinna: What is police brutality you may ask? It is “the excessive and unwarranted use of force by law enforcement.” I will be discussing the issues of it giving examples of victims that weren’t treated so fairly in the system because of it. A local example here in Columbus, Ohio is Casey Goodman. He was just simply walking home with his lunch. For some reason, the police mistook his sandwich as a gun. They shot him. Goodson had done nothing wrong, he even had no criminal records. This wouldn’t have happened to a white man. This is systematic injustice because he did not violate any laws. The police are just racist.
Garrett, Cole, is there anything you would like to add?
Garrett: Wow! A sandwich! You’ve got to be kidding me… How do you mistake a sandwich for a gun? That’s ridiculous… What other unjust killings have you seen Corinna?
Cole: In most of these scenarios, I’d like to believe that there is something else to the story that makes what happened justified but time after time its completely unlawful.
Corinna: Yes I agree, it’s completely ridiculous. Another case is kind of similar but the case involved a toy gun. It’s sad that the victim Tamir Rice was only 12 years old. He wasn’t pointing the toy gun at the police or anybody. The police shot him and didn’t even talk to him about it. It’s sad an innocent child got killed doing nothing wrong. He was just being a kid. This case was definitely targeted on his skin color. It was descripted in the phone call.
Garrett: That’s crazy to think about that could have been me, as a kid, if I was a minority. I loved my toy guns when I was younger. I definitely agree with you. How did this police officer feel threatened by a 12 year old? How does one mistake a toy gun for a real one?
Corinna: I have no clue. I guess he didn’t raise his hands when asked and that was right after he got shot. He was only a child. Could you blame him? He was probably so scared and confused! Also, the toy was realistic looking. The police could have communicated with the child better.
Garrett: No you can’t blame the kid at all, at that age, we all would’ve been pretty freaked out and confused. An adult cop should understand how to communicate with a child. I’m sure the kid would’ve told him it was a toy if he would’ve just asked.
Corinna: Yes, it was sad because he was a child. Now let’s talk about mental health. A case that really caught my eye was Kevin Desir. He broke some laws and was put into jail. One being possession for marijuana and the other being property damage. Kevin was smoking marijuana for health reasons, he was getting it approved from his doctor. It was set in stone, but the court still charged him for the crime. Desir struggles with self harm. He was put into a restraint chair at the Broward jail. He became unresponsive. He died 10 days later in the hospital. Police should not be in charge of people with mental health issues in jails. We need health care professionals to go to scenes to properly take care of them. Police often make them more scared and act out more on their episodes. If they don’t get the response they want, they kill them. Just like what happened to Desir. This is systematic injustice because he was being treated differently because of his skin color and mental health. The police broke the law, they violated the court agreement and tried to hide this case from the public. If the police did their job and listened to court agreements & had mental health care workers Desir may still be alive.
Garrett: It sounds like police are using our Jails to house mentally ill people, leaving their mental health issues untreated, and on top of that a tarnished criminal record. This is definitely predatory toward people with mental illnesses and minorities at large. I recently read a study that showed mental health clinics in Chicago have reduced from having ~35,000 patients in 1960 to now having only ~1,500 patients in 2017, on top of this ⅓ of people in Chicago jails identified with having a mental illness. This shows a clearly bad trend toward not giving people the care they need, which is a dangerous precedent to have in America.
Topic 2: Criminal Justice System:
Garrett: Corinna previously talked about police brutality facing minority communities. Building on this issue, minorities are much more likely to be targeted by police forces for crimes, and are much more likely to be put in jail by the criminal justice system for them. This creates a dangerous sort of “double jeopardy” for minorities in America. As a minority walking in the street you’re much more likely to be arrested or confronted, and then on top of that you are much more likely to be prosecuted and put in jail for the crime. This leaves minorities at a huge disadvantage, when compared to white individuals.
Let’s bring in some statistics to support this claim. In Ferguson, Missouri, a study was done in 2013, which found that out of a population of 63% African American individuals, these individuals accounted for 86% of drivers stopped by the Ferguson police. In the same study, people of color were searched nearly twice as much as white individuals. Corinna, Cole who do you think carried more contraband of these two groups?
Corinna: Probably white people
Cole: I’m going to have to agree with Corinna on that guess
Garrett: The study found white individuals had contraband 34% of the time and black individuals had contraband 22% of the time. Now tell me that’s not racist…People of color are being searched more for contraband
Corinna: Sounds pretty racist to me.
Cole: Yeah that’s pretty racist.
Garrett: On top of that, in Ferguson, Black individuals were twice as likely to be arrested as white individuals. This isn’t just Ferguson alone, a study done on New York City, found the Latino population over 16 to be 2.5x as likely to be summoned to court or arrested, and the Black population over 16 to be 3x as likely to be summoned to court or arrested. This is a high risk to our minority communities, in America as a whole.
Cole: This sounds like a systemic issue. This isn’t just happening in one city. It’s happening in many cities across the country. Our policing and criminal justice agencies definitely need some reform.
Topic 3: University Acceptance of Minorities:
Cole: The previous two topics we covered have been about the blatant mistreatment of minorities, let’s dive into a topic that deals with not overt mistreatment of minorities. Major universities promote the inclusion and acceptance of minority students, often having certain events or organizations specifically to make them feel included. So why do stories continuously pop up of minority students feeling unwelcome on campus especially with the most progressive thinking generation of students to attend universities? Does this problem on campuses across America mean that the American higher education institutions are racist?
Corinna: I guess it depends on the school. Yes, they do have these organizations to help them feel included but it doesn’t help out much. If they still feel unwelcomed it’s probably because they feel their peers are racist.
Garrett: I think that these minority groups probably feel underrepresented. I’m sure these organizations help them in some capacity, but in another light, they probably want to see more of their own groups in these organizations and on campus as a whole. To answer your second question, Cole, I think it’s difficult to make a judgement on all campuses in America, however, I think these colleges should be seeing similar numbers represented from all groups.
Cole: Most colleges have decently similar if not higher percentages of white students compared to the national averages, however african american and latino populations on campuses are usually significantly lower than national averages. Many minority students come from areas where their culture is heavily represented and coming to a college campus where their ethnicity is not nearly as prominent can be a shock. It is also not as much of a problem for white students as most campuses have upwards of 60% white students
Ending:
Garrett: Well that’s all the time we have today everybody. Thanks for tuning in to our podcast. We hope this conversation sparked your interest and gave you a new perspective on the issues minorities in our country face.
Cole: Thanks for Tuning In!
Corinna: Thanks for Listening!
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